they have a $632 billion market cap. the short answer here, our debt is equal to the combined economies of all of europe, shep. so it's really, really, really big number. >> shep: lot of money. gerri willis from fox business, thanks very much. live from the business news room in new york city. chris wallace is with us. that's a big number and both sides say they have a plan to fix it. but nobody gives specifics on either side. after the president says he will on thursday night, but i haven't heard anything really. >> no. it really is a failure on both sides. in fact, one of the questions i asked david axelrod on fox news sunday is when does the president, according to his budget plan, balance the budget? it was kind of a trick question because i knew the answer. never. and even paul ryan for all the talk about balancing the budget, he doesn't do it 'til 2030 or 2040. so nobody -- for all the talk about budget cutting, neither is really addressing this huge and growing problem with the country. >> shep: they're not becaus